Post by Mister AnalogYou do bring a lot of attitude to the table, Jose. I hope you're not too
surprised that it rubs some people the wrong way . . .
Although the following will be long and boring, I think I have a right to
defend myself of the charges that I consider unjustified.
Let's review the history. Here is the relevant keystones, that you can
verify if you has a backup the old NG.
I started to answer hatred posts against Muslims in a very educated and fair
manner. Here is my absolutely first post regarding the issue, my first
Post by Mister Analog< you guys do know that it is not the entire Muslim world involved in
terrorism>
No, just every Muslim in Nigeria and the Philippines and Indonesia and
Saudi
Post by Mister AnalogArabia and Syria and Egypt and Libya and Iraq and Iran and Pakistan and
Afghanistan, etc...
That's not true, Ted. In many of the countries you cited, most people
don't
Post by Mister Analogapprove terrorism. But it is true that things are becoming worse lately.
*** And the first time things started to go personal (although XanaX was
insulting me previously). You can see how I was arguing honestly and based
in widely accepted positions, while Ted starts calling me a terrorist just
because my arguments in this case are against certain Israeli actions.
<<<<< START QUOTE >>>>>
Post by Mister AnalogThe UN has absolutely no credibility.
Jose Catena wrote:
I understand, you have more credibility than the UN and all its informers
and supporters together with the information that member states gather
themselves.
Regardless of if you like it or not, the UN is the only valid establishment
of international laws.
An approved UN resolution means that a majority of members voted favorably
and that no state with right to veto so does.
The UN is a big organization that can develop a lot of activities, including
tracking conflicts and gathering first hand information from qualified
observers.
So, when a resolution is approved, it means that a majority of states and
all the ones with right to veto agree with its whole content after reviewing
and discussing accurate information.
You can find everywhere in the media evidences of Sharon crimes, but I cited
UN resolutions for its unquestionable credibility.
If UN resolution says that Israel violated more than a hundred of
resolutions, and that broke the peace process to avoid at the last minute to
give the small percentage of land they agreed, it just means that it has
been properly investigated, and that most agreed with the conclusions.
These resolutions are specially meaningful, since US protects Israel as much
as it can vetoing any resolution if necessary. In fact the UN resolutions
are very favorable to Israel regarding what's really going on. So if these
resolutions were approved leave no doubts about the responsibility of Israel
breaking the peace process, avoiding peace, making unfair and dirty war, and
performing war crimes.
Even if UN is not perfect, is the best tool we have to articulate
international laws, agreements and justice.
Not accepting UN resolutions is equivalent to despise justice and peace.
Giving credit to Zionist propaganda while ignoring UN resolutions is the
largest hypocrisy, cynics and lack of honesty I can imagine.
And the intention of convincing us with fake arguments (like demonstrated by
UN resolutions) is a shame, as it is accusing me of being a liar, when was
you who were lying.
*** Ted Perlman wrote:
Who danced a jig and clucked their tongues, smiling ear to ear with glee as
burning bodies rained from the World Trade Center and splattered on the
ground?
Obviously Al Queda, the Palestinians, Muslims in general around the world,
and Jose Catena.
*** Jose Catena wrote:
Ted,
UN resolutions enforced the establishment of the Israel State.
UN resolutions supported Israel when it was attacked by Arab countries.
UN resolutions established the right for Israel to live in peace in a land
with defined boundaries.
BUT: UN resolutions also reported illegal and criminal actions made by
Israel in Palestine.
There is no anti-Semitism there, only JUSTICE.
Whenever you put any ideology above the very basic human right to live you
are doing it again: Nazism, radical Islam, Communism, whatever. By
justifying terrorism against Palestine you are actually justifying the root
of every terrorism.
You are the terrorism friend here, not me, I condemn EVERY kind of
terrorism, be it Arab, Israeli, or whatever.
*** Ted Perlman wrote:
Well my dear Anti-Semitic, Jew and American hating Spaniard, the biggest
terrorists in the world today are the Islamic ones - the ones you feel so
much sympathy for. Remember, eventually they'll come for you or affect
someone you know. And then perhaps we'll hear another side to Jose Catena,
Al Queda sympathizer. The one that will sound like we Americans do now after
those pig bitches came after us - you'll be madder than hell.
Until then, enjoy your posters of Osama Bin Laden, Arafat, George Hamas,
Franco, and Mullah Omar.
*** And this kind of offensive and slandering posts from Ted continued
continuously much before I eventually answered in an uneducated fashion.
Everybody considered my offensive answers as intolerable, while they ignored
the ton of shit Ted threw previously. Obviously Ted's slanders had already
made its effect. Ted could call me nazist, holocaust denier, terrorist,
racist and a ton more of things without reason, but everybody scandalized
when I, after eating that crap, insulted him using references to the
holocaust, being obvious that I was not justifying the holocaust in any way
but simply insulting him.
***
Post by Mister AnalogAnd you've been around here long enough to know what Ted's going to say
even before he says it.
Are you sure that that isn't something you're actually looking for?
I didn't believe at that time that Ted could be so dishonest to manipulate
my cites and slander me that way when I was honestly defending widely
accepted opinions. And be sure that I was not looking for it. If I
eventually answered with incorrect insults, it was after a lot of shit
coming from him, and sure I didn't change cites from him or slandered him as
he did. He earned the insults I wrote and much more. My mistake for losing
my patience at times, but don't tell me I started this, or that I went so
dishonest as Ted. In most cases I continued to avoid insulting him while
ignoring his insults and slanders. But he continued in his despicable
behavior without a rest until today.
Post by Mister Analogps . . . for what it's worth - I don't believe that people who are critical
of Israeli policies are necessarily anti-semitic. Of course, there are some
who are . . . but I don't think you can paint everyone with that particular
brush.
Certainly that I can not be anti-semitic, being a semite myself. I am
neither anti-Jew, anti-Israeli, anti-American, anti-Muslim, anti-Arab. If
you need other cites from me to prove it, please let me now. The only
"antis" I am are anti-terrorism of every color, anti-racism, anti-hate,
anti-injustice, anti-slavery, anti-discrimination.
I was labeled as anti-semite, terrorist sympathizer, anti-Jew, etc. ONLY
because supporters of one color of terrorism didn't like that I was against
ALL colors of terrorism. That's the simple truth. Their view are that they
are 100% perfect, and that the Palestinians are 100% evil terrorists, and
they label anyone that does not take their shit 100% as a Palestinian
terrorist.
And who does not have very clear that this is just and simple what happened
here, didn't follow the threads with enough attention, or ... something
worse.
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